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Bar Notepad - Blair & Wendy Gorman, 20 McSaveneys Road.
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Version 1.01, 27 May 2023
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Overall Theme / Colour Scheme
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Silver accents, not gold/brass/bronze
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Speakeasy that turns into an 80’s nightclub :-)
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Wallpaper more elegant than painted walls?
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Autex acoustic panel samples en route.
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Floor
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Laminate Floor: Rhino EverCore Pebble. Floating, 5.5mm.
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Contact for specifications: Aliana at Carpet Court, 03 349 9485
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NOTE: Flooring installation requirements
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Included is a grind of the subfloor and supply and fitting transition/expansion bars.
Floor needs to be level/flat to 3mm over 3m and no more than 2mm over 1 lineal metre edge. Floor must be flat.
Sub floor must be clean, dry and level. Skirting Boards and toe kicks to be left off/removed prior to installation - not quoted to remove/replace.
Also bench ends, walls around fridge, waterfall benches, etc need to be set at a height to allow install of 6.5mm Hybrid flooring to allow for expansion gap.
Subject to a site inspection to confirm sizes and profiles. All appliances and toilet fixtures to be removed prior to us arriving.
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NOTE: This is 30% off for the month of May.
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Have requested quote for supply and install from Carpet Court
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Ceiling
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Mid-toned or dark colour to create a more intimate speakeasy feel, and make danceflloor lights more effective and less obtrusive.
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Need to explore colour / finish options that would integrate well with the above Rhino Pebble laminate flooring
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Marble looking panels?? PVC Stone board? TBC, open to ideas. Home ideas centre?
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Bar Joinery / Features
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Back Bar Joinery
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Wine Cabinets
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Spec of wine cabinets to Hierarchy, Gary.
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Wine cabinet recesses
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Would be a good idea to have metal trays for the wine fridges, or some protection in the unlikely event the fridges leak water (this has happened to us one. Not what you’d call a flood, but we don’t want to risk potential water damage).
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Back Bar Fridge
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Plumbed - large sink , built in garbage disposal.
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Benchtop - manufactured stone cost estimate.
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STONE TYPE HERE.
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Cupboards
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Blum Servo openers
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Draw within draw. Photos from blum?
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I love the space-saving storage such as this:
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Drawers... drawer within drawers, like this:
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Under-sink storage like this:
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Any extra space … storage like this:
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General Arrangement of bar appliances
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From left to right (as seen from behind bar)
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“Wall end” - cleaning area
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Dishdrawer
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Sink / insinkerator / under-sink storage
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Smart storage (e.g. U-shaped drawers) to utilize the space under the sink
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Glasswasher 400220
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“Open end” - drinks serving area
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glass rack (1 likely enough)
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9kg Icemaker
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Fridge drawer
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Any extra room - standard drawers
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Under-counter rubbish bins never seem to be big enoughMain rubbish bons
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Will opt for free-standing rubbish bins, to sit against wall between bar and bar back.
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Bar countertop
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Black manufactured stone with mirrored flecks
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Stone group black mirror (preferred option)
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Uniquartz Diamond black - not quite as sparkly - but less expensive
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Contact James Pere at Universal Granite and Marbles for quote, claims to be able to give better options/price
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james@universalgranite.co.nz, 09 274 8846, 027 264 1321
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Photo of our last place with this...
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Bar Appliances (owner supplied)
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Fisher & Paykel DD60SAX9 Single DishDrawer
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CAD files at https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/dishwashing/contemporary-dishwashers/single-dishdrawer-dishwasher-dd60sax9-82314.html
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Insinkerator EVO200-3B
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https://insinkerator.co.nz/food-waste-disposers/evolution-200/
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Electrolux dish-washer 400220
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NOTE: 3-phase 400V by default
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Apparently convertible to 230V single phase, will need to determine how if this is necessary (the property does have 3 phase though)
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CAD files at https://www.electroluxprofessional.com/pd/dishwashing-equipment/undercounters/green-clean-undercounters-euca-row/warewashing-undercounter-wsc-single-skin-drain-pump-detergent-rinse-aid-dispensers-48b-h-400220/
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Electrolux Ice maker 730523 (9kg version)
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Data sheet at https://www.electroluxprofessional.com/pd/refrigeration-equipment/ice-makers/ice-makers/24-29-kg-ice-makers/ice-cuber-28kg-24h-with-9kg-bin-air-cooled-730523/
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needs to be plumbed in.
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F&P COOL DRAWER RB90S64MKIW1.
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fully integrated so we will need a front panel. @Gary.
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CAD files at https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/cooling/refrigeration/integrated-refrigeration/integrated-cooldrawer-multi-temperature-drawer-rb90s64mkiw1-25282.html
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Skope BB.3.GSL.r back bar fridge with external compressor
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BB.3.GSL.r - remote - awaiting spec sheet from Georgia @ Southern Hospitality=
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Need external compressor unit, to keep noisy compressor outside
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Fridge tech to visit to establish requirements. Georgia Jacobs to recommend.
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Contact: Georgia Jacobs, Southern Hospitality, m: +64 21 247 9978. Refer to quote QT00432832.
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Please note existing quote contains two alternate models, the standand and remote model, it’s just the remote model we are after.
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Awaiting quote and spec sheet
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Wine cabinets
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Vintec 190 SG-2eAL
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Dimension sheet etc at https://www.vintec.com/en-au/large-wine-cellars/v190sg2e-al/
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Please note ventilation gaps. 100mm if no vertical vent
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Acoustics
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Acoustic Panels on Ceiling? Can decide on options here, once ceiling colour/finish is finalised.
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Storage Joinery
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Double cupboard at end
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width = 1020
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Right-hand side : JBL M2 (510mm w)
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Dimensions (w x h x d) 508mm x 1256mm x 355.6mm (however I measure 500mm wide!)Pasted_Graphic_13
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Left-hand side: Stereo rack (510mm w)
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Bottom cupboards
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Spaced shelves above (~510mm w)
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Parasound A23+ amplifiers x 4
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Remember, we’re not using McIntosh amps as they are too deep for this area.
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Dimensions
Width: 17-1/4" (437 mm)
Depth: 15"-1/4" (388 mm)
Depth, with cables 17" (432 mm)
Height, with feet: 4-1/8" (105 mm)
Height, without feet: 3-1/2" (89 mm), 2U
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Moral of the story: 450 deep cabinets required (McIntosh gear is 500mm deep without cables, so forget that)
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Dimensions (w x h x d) 437mm Width 388mm Depth (432 with cables fitted) 105mm Height
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but let’s allow 200mm distance between shelves for adequate ventilation (including shelf height, so not an internal measurement).
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McIntosh D100 DAC / Digital Preamplifier .
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Can re-use this rather than buying one with analog, as the miniDSP UHD will take analog sources and feed it.
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But, if we use the BLU800 with digital inputs, the D100 has no digital out … unlike the SHD (ensuring variable digital output is enabled!). So, best to have the SHD as the preamp, along with the BLU-800, due to ventilation requirements.
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Ideas:
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Ventilated shelving ... long vents running from front to back
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Holes in back rear corners for cables (L power, R signal)
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Power to area
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Lan cables to area
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Shelves currently not in plan for any of the storage joinery. Architect or Gary?
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Existing Digital-only SHD studio would do for the gym.
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Full SHD to accept analog inputs (e.g. DJ controller), and play Roon.
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Dancefloor Lighting
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Mounted on ceiling lighting rails as seen in previous bar:
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Photos:
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Ignore the LED glow from the bars, which did not end up having the desired effect
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Lighting bar locations approximately as follows (not to scale). These look about 3m and 2m from the photos, but I will have to locate and measure
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Able to change from an elegant speakeasy to a dance club with a dramatic change in lighting
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We have a dance pole.
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Power
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Smart outlets to turn power on/off to lighting rail, e.g. PDL Iconic Wiser Connected Socket in Iconic Anthracite colour (a dark grey, to minimise visual impact)
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Lutron LQSE-4S5-230-D
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4 x 5A zones… rail 1, rail 2, smoke alarm (if permitted), ???
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Don’t want power bank visible, that was a temporary thing!
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https://www.clipsal.com/products/detail?CatNo=3025CSG&itemno=3025CSG&tab-document-1=0
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1 dual smart socket per ceiling rail.Don’t need individual switches, individual lights will be controlled with the WolfMix DMX controller.
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Run dmx Cable to lighting, behind gib, to outlet here:
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Bar Lighting
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Multi-zone LED lighting
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Glass front multi-zone DMX controller, e.g. https://ledstuff.co.nz/dmx-rf-wall-touch-plate-rgbw-controller-230v-4-zone.html
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DMX decoder: https://ledstuff.co.nz/dmx512-rdm-4-channel-decoder-12-48v-32a.html
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Alternative handheld remote: https://ledstuff.co.nz/8-zone-controller-remote.html and https://ledstuff.co.nz/8-zone-rgb-controller-receiver-12-24v-15a.html … more zones, less cabling required
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Dancefloor lighting
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Mounted on ceiling rails.
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Please ignore the LED lighting radiating from the rails in the photos, they didn’t work out well in practice.
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Similar to attached photos from last house… a similar concept, but tidier cabling, power outlet in ceiling.
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ceiling rail 1ceiling rail 2ceiling rails both
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DMX controlled fog machine. Please ignore for now.
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Beamz S2000 Haze Fog Machine - https://surplustronics.co.nz/products/8549-smoke-machine-dmx-2000-watt
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DMX cable from DJ stand to Fog machine. Another DMX cable from Fog machine to Ceiling lighting truss rails.
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Sound
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Wired ethernet data points throughout to allow for future flexibililty.
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SHD: S/PDIF out.
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https://bssaudio.com/en/products/digital-input-card
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https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd
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End Cupboards / Storage
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45mm depth?? JBL M2 depth = 355mm, so at least that! 300mm def not enough.
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Bi-wiring for speakers
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Hide all electronics in here? Having McIntosh rack looks great but takes up valuable floorspace
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Sonos unit
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BSS.
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Amplifiers etc too large to put here, no point in making the entire thing 60cm just for these.
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Perhaps just McIntosh Preamp visible. This provides 12V DC trigger to the hidden stuff.
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Large conduit pipe from end cupboard to nearby wall for cables to go back and forth without being draped across floor.
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Parasounds just 34cm deep.
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Need preamp with analog in. We have it with the SHD… could use the Mc preamp as a glorified attentuator.
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Sonos -> SHD -> McPreamp -> BSS Blu50 -> Parasounds -> M2’s.
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Roon -> SHD -> McPreamp -> BSS Blu50 -> Parasounds -> M2’s.
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SHD not strictly necessary initially. Just SONOS -> McPreamp -> BSS Blu50 -> Parasounds -> M2’s.
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SHD unit adds Roon. NEED NETWORK CABLE HERE JUST IN CASE, ALSO FOR SONOS.
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Then, a cable for future use, for a DJ unit in the corner.
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An extra component in the chain, but remember, this is not a serious listening system.
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Definitely need good ventilation. Put in main cabinet (not small corner one) for greater airspace?
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An open front not the end of the world for heat-generating electronics.
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Infra-red bug to feed components in covered bottom area.
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Karaoke (maybe)
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Karafun
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TC Helicon Perform V - https://www.rockshop.co.nz/tc-helicon-perform-v-vocal-effects-unit-tc-perform-v
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Shure mic / GLXD4
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Feedback Behringer Feedback Destroyer Pro FBQ2496 $229 USD. https://www.rubbermonkey.co.nz/Behringer-FBQ2496-Feedback-Destroyer?gclid=CjwKCAjwpayjBhAnEiwA-7enaz7HGPNqEOGt1iJbGyYeCnPKgXrGJCzAALmhxs3VmA7hRt4R4XhEtxoCuxUQAvD_BwE
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New system is GLXD+ … https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/wireless-systems/glx-d_plus/glxd24p_sm58?variant=GLXD24+%2FSM58-Z3
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Use old 828x rack mount mixer
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BMB KSP-100 https://www.magnumsound.nz/bmb-ksp-100-karaoke-processor-mixer - pricey $1795.
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Feed stereo via TV using BlueTooth and logitech BT receiver.
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Mac->AppleTV->TV->BT->828x.
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Microphone->GLXD4 (or GLXD24+)->Microphone Mixer->PerformV->Feedback Destroyer->828x (to mix Microphones with received Bluetooth signal). Would need second PerformV for a 2 mic setup. Might be better with a cheap mic mixer, https://www.thomann.de/intl/img_stageline_mmx_31.htm $40.
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Guildford of Maine FR701 … remote control will go through this.
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https://www.thomann.de/intl/behringer_fbq_2496_feedbackdes.htm
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To provision, we will want lots of shelves in the bottom section, up to waist or chest height.
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Now whereas the SM58 has a traditional Cardioid polar pickup pattern, both of the Shure Beta mics are super cardioids, which means they offer a narrower pickup pattern with excellent sound rejection from the sides. This is why they’re better at isolating vocals and less susceptible to feedback on a busy stage. Which is therefore why singers prefer them – there’s hardly any bleed from other instruments.
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https://www.karafun.com/features/
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https://avstore.co.nz/product/afs2-feedback-eliminator/
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https://www.thomann.de/intl/dbx_afs2.htm
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BETA 58 is the one to go for, less feedback, directional.
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Electrical / Cabling
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Smoke Alarm
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Yes, a strange request … We want to be able to temporarily disable smoke alarm when having a party, ideally without getting up on a ladder, and ideally turning on again after an 8h timer.
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“If you're building or renovating and have been issued a building consent, the New Zealand Building Code requires an approved smoke alarm to be fitted in every escape route (hallway) and within three metres of every sleeping space (bedroom) door.”
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Fog from fog machine will set off smoke alarm
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Could connect to another https://www.clipsal.com/products/detail?CatNo=3025CSG&itemno=3025CSG&tab-document-1=0 … compliant? Are there rules re: smoke alarms?
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DMX Controller
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DMX controlled, so will need cabling
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https://www.thomann.de/gb/wolfmix_w1.htm ???
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USA: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1686280-REG/american_dj_wmx1_standalone_dmx_lighting.html
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Wireless DMX transmitter / receiver, to allow maximum flexibility of controller placement
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DMX Lighting
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Lights will be controlled by DMX
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Fog machine DMX
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DMX controller
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LAN cables
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To wall end of bar … just in case!
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To stereo rack (exact placement TBA)
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AV wiring (soundline)
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TV - connect Apple TV, Sky, Lumagen second output
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Bi-amping speaker wire from stereo area (in corner) to JBL M2 locations
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DJ Stand
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DMX cable
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Heat pump system - Dean @ Electra-call?
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AMENDMENTS
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Increase internal height difference between counter and bartop from 100 to 200, so there’s a good 200mm+ internal difference
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Run power outlets at rear bar counter. double power points at left, centre, right end.
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Please make sure these are high enough to plug in wall power supplies if need be (e.g. bottom of mains plug plate 50mm above bench)
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Images:
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Increase depth of storage unit along wall from 300mm to ???
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JBL M2 depth = 355mm!
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Cupboards
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Increase thickmess of bar-front to allow panels to be hidden cupboards
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not sure of materials thickness, so this is rough … 200mm internal cupboard depth
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Drainboard by sink
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ENHANCEMENTS
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Blum Servo openers.
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Decisions Yet To Make
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Wall colour/covering. Wallpaper?
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Exact location of stereo rack
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QUESTIONS
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Remote smart switch
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https://www.clipsal.com/products/detail?CatNo=3025CSG&itemno=3025CSG&tab-document-1=0 … does Lutron make an equivalent in 230V?
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https://www.bigapplebuddy.com/product/8/caseta-weatherproof-outdoor-smart-plug-for-landscape-and-string-lighting-on-off-switch-black/56091352
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Looks like there is a 4-way switch, here: LQSE-4S5-230-D
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https://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocumentLibrary/3691061_ENG.pdf
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5A load. Even the brightest of dancefloor lights - https://www.adj.com/vizi-roller-beam-2r - is just 210w (<1A).
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DMX controller location. Wireless for maximum flexibility? Will help with DMX, but not audio.
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Food for thought… do we really need to see the stereo stuff?
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Looks great, but takes up unnecessary room. Maybe just a volume adjustor (McIntosh), and the rest hidden away, including existing Parasound amps.
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Future Ideas (just here for reference, no need to consider)
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Strengthening/reinforcing for dance pole
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Have a removable dance pole. Will need to ensure reinforced ceiling, so it doesn’t break through the ceiling when screwed into place.
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Please ignore for now. We’ll use the bar and where the best place for this is in practice.
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3D mirrored dance floor. Please ignore for now.
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See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3_0W0iLrT8 - currently in conversation with suppliers
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DJ table. IGNORE for now, just a flight of fancy at this stage.
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https://avstore.co.nz/product/pro-dj-table/ or https://avstore.co.nz/product/standard-dj-table/.
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Better priced at https://www.livesound.co.nz/products/livesound-pro-dj-table]
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MUCH nicer one from Europe: https://www.hoerboard.com/furniture/scomber-mix/
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https://www.hoerboard.com/furniture/classic/Classic-Front-1600x1000
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If we want to veer away from Laptop, could house a Mac Mini inside the unit, and sit a monitor on top of a Hoerboard … https://www.intehill.com/collections/free-shipping/products/4k-portable-gaming-monitor
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Kevin Stewart - KS Lighting
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Now “Designer Lighting”.
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